Quartz vs mecanic poate fi o afirmatie care duce la infinit. De ce? Pentru ca argumente si contra argumente sunt la fiecare. Eu personal am gasit un echilibru, cand merg cu bicicleta sau pe munte un Casio quartz va fi intotdeauna cea mai buna alegere chiar si decat un Brequet messidor, insa la costum, unde nu pot sa bat cu pumnul in masa asa cum trebuie, un mecanic va da mult mai multe satisfactii.
In functie de moment, ceasul poate fi o bijuterie chiar daca nu este din aur, ca un Zenith el primero, sau, poate fi o unealta ca un G-Shock sau un Suunto. Cati alpinisti ati vazut uitandu-se la telefonul mobil cand sunt sus pe stanca ? Deci ceasul totusi mai are inca utilitate
Niciodata un quartz nu va bate un mecanic la eleganta si niciodata un mecanic nu va bate un quartz la utilitate. Parerea mea.
Alexandrion scrie:Niciodata un quartz nu va bate un mecanic la eleganta si niciodata un mecanic nu va bate un quartz la utilitate. Parerea mea.
Cu prima parte afirmatiei nu sunt deloc de acord.
Care din urmatoarele ti se pare mai elegant: Concord Delirium sau Seiko Monster?
Pai el se referea la mecanism in sine,nu la carcasa purtatoare. Asa sunt foarte multe ceasuri sport quartz dar nu asta e ideea.
Asa ce ai prefera prin abstractie ,acel Concord Delirium quartz sau mecanic?
With vintage watches bought for the history it is different.
I have quite a number of mechanical watches, that I got many years ago. They sit there unused and unworn in the main. Why? They don't keep very good time by today's best standards, they need constant adjustment, they are relatively fragile and if I wear them they will need very expensive servicing down the line, often putting me at the mercy of some mercenary watch company.
Quartz contain much more of man's skills and ingenuity than a clockwork watch. If I was to transport a watchmaker from the 19th century to today he would understand and could work on the mechanical watch. However, a solar, atomic watch would be indistinguishable from magic to him.
However, probably the main reason I don't buy Swiss mechanicals any more, is that I don't like to feel like a mug.
Quartz when first produced were far more expensive than mechanicals. However as design and production techniques improved they became vastly more cheaper to produce.
Actually the same thing has happened to mechanical watches though you wouldn't know it. Production techniques, design, automated machinery etc etc will have reduced the cost of production of mechanical watches by a great amount. (Nearly all mechanical watches are mass produced by machinery).
The same thing has happened across nearly all spheres, cars, TVs, white goods etc etc. These are much cheaper to buy today, relative to average incomes, for the consumer than they were in the Sixties. The quality and performance is much better as well. But with watches they have hugely increased the relative price of most Swiss watches. You are not paying a true market price, you are paying a controlled, semi cartel, price based on marketing. Why don't people hanker after old Bakelite TVs with their slow switching valves and general fragility? Nobody has marketed them as some wonderful desirable thing as against the soulless digital things we actually buy today, that's why..
Consumers in this market are seen as mugs to be squeezed for as much money as they can be, unrelated to the cost or actual performance of the product. Marketing is to convince people they are getting something special when it isn't.
Yes, people still like their, relatively slow, classic cars with their unreliable multi carbs, distributors, basic brakes and suspensions etc etc. Hell I have got a rare classic sports car myself that I have owned from new.
However, just try to manufacture a similar spec'd car today and sell it in the market, as a new product, at a huge premium over modern cars and see how far you get!
My daughter indulges herself in designer bags. She owns quite a few running up to $4000. They run well beyond this out there as well.
Why do women lust after a Chanel handbag? Do they use amazing materials not used on 'ordinary' bags? Do they perform so much better?
Or has marketing convinced them that they are buying into some luxurious and exclusive lifestyle not available to owners of pleb bags?
Must be some reason!
Just imagine if Quartz had remained as expensive as when it was first brought out. Only a very small minority of consumers could afford them.
If that was the same today. Instead of people going ooh ahh at someone posting their latest mechanical Patek or ALS, they would be doing it to someone posting their exclusive quartz watch, unobtainable except to the richest.
The jump second? Well, before quartz, this was a highly desirable very rare and very expensive complication on a mechanical watch. Now that it is ubiquitous on quartz, people apparently dislike the jump second and like the more exclusive 'stutter' second. Why? Anything to do with marketing do you think?
I am sure that there will be plenty of people on here who will declare that if quartz had remained hugely expensive and exclusive, they would think exactly the same as now.
However, believe me, by and large they wouldn't. They would be cooing over the miracle of that jump second, ultra accurate, ultra exclusive, ultra expensive, quartz watch. The majority of us having to make do with the poorly performing, more common mechanical.
Its the name of the game.
No, the main reason why I don't buy Swiss mechanicals is that I like to go through life without feeling like a mug, which I would if I spent $10,000 on a mass produced SS mechanical watch.
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[b]"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"- Mark Twain[/b]
We all are born ignorant, but one has to work hard to remain stupid. Benjamin Franklin
Intr-o zi ma uitam fascinat pe internet la colectiile, mecanismele, istoria, patentele unor mari marci precum Vcheron, Girard Peregaux, Patek, Audemars Piguet si ma gandeam la abilitatile, arta si stiinta acelor mari ceasornicari, la minunile acelea mecanice, pentru care as da aproape orice ca sa le am si eu.
In fata acelor ceasuri mecanice cu diferite complicatii, cu ecuatia timpului, calendar perpetuu, tourbillon cu pozitia Lunii si Caii Lactee, apus si rasarit, orice ceas cuartz paleste...si uit parca de existenta acestei tehnologii. Intr-adevar, orologeria si arta mecanica se pare ca sunt in genele elvetienilor.
Consider ca nu este snobism daca esti pasionat si iti doresti enorm un ceas mecanic, iar pentru asta cheltuiesti 10000 de euro. Sigur, cine poate...In schimb nu-i inteleg pe cei care cheltuiesc sume mari doar pentru a etala un ceas si pentru a impresiona. Trebuie sa ai o cultura in background ca sa porti un astfel de ceas. Este ca atunci cand te duci la un mare muzeu si admiri o opera de arta dar nu stii nimic despre artist, technica folosita, curent artistic etc...
With vintage watches bought for the history it is different.
I have quite a number of mechanical watches, that I got many years ago. They sit there unused and unworn in the main. Why? They don't keep very good time by today's best standards, they need constant adjustment, they are relatively fragile and if I wear them they will need very expensive servicing down the line, often putting me at the mercy of some mercenary watch company.
Quartz contain much more of man's skills and ingenuity than a clockwork watch. If I was to transport a watchmaker from the 19th century to today he would understand and could work on the mechanical watch. However, a solar, atomic watch would be indistinguishable from magic to him.
However, probably the main reason I don't buy Swiss mechanicals any more, is that I don't like to feel like a mug.
Quartz when first produced were far more expensive than mechanicals. However as design and production techniques improved they became vastly more cheaper to produce.
Actually the same thing has happened to mechanical watches though you wouldn't know it. Production techniques, design, automated machinery etc etc will have reduced the cost of production of mechanical watches by a great amount. (Nearly all mechanical watches are mass produced by machinery).
The same thing has happened across nearly all spheres, cars, TVs, white goods etc etc. These are much cheaper to buy today, relative to average incomes, for the consumer than they were in the Sixties. The quality and performance is much better as well. But with watches they have hugely increased the relative price of most Swiss watches. You are not paying a true market price, you are paying a controlled, semi cartel, price based on marketing. Why don't people hanker after old Bakelite TVs with their slow switching valves and general fragility? Nobody has marketed them as some wonderful desirable thing as against the soulless digital things we actually buy today, that's why..
Consumers in this market are seen as mugs to be squeezed for as much money as they can be, unrelated to the cost or actual performance of the product. Marketing is to convince people they are getting something special when it isn't.
Yes, people still like their, relatively slow, classic cars with their unreliable multi carbs, distributors, basic brakes and suspensions etc etc. Hell I have got a rare classic sports car myself that I have owned from new.
However, just try to manufacture a similar spec'd car today and sell it in the market, as a new product, at a huge premium over modern cars and see how far you get!
My daughter indulges herself in designer bags. She owns quite a few running up to $4000. They run well beyond this out there as well.
Why do women lust after a Chanel handbag? Do they use amazing materials not used on 'ordinary' bags? Do they perform so much better?
Or has marketing convinced them that they are buying into some luxurious and exclusive lifestyle not available to owners of pleb bags?
Must be some reason!
Just imagine if Quartz had remained as expensive as when it was first brought out. Only a very small minority of consumers could afford them.
If that was the same today. Instead of people going ooh ahh at someone posting their latest mechanical Patek or ALS, they would be doing it to someone posting their exclusive quartz watch, unobtainable except to the richest.
The jump second? Well, before quartz, this was a highly desirable very rare and very expensive complication on a mechanical watch. Now that it is ubiquitous on quartz, people apparently dislike the jump second and like the more exclusive 'stutter' second. Why? Anything to do with marketing do you think?
I am sure that there will be plenty of people on here who will declare that if quartz had remained hugely expensive and exclusive, they would think exactly the same as now.
However, believe me, by and large they wouldn't. They would be cooing over the miracle of that jump second, ultra accurate, ultra exclusive, ultra expensive, quartz watch. The majority of us having to make do with the poorly performing, more common mechanical.
Its the name of the game.
No, the main reason why I don't buy Swiss mechanicals is that I like to go through life without feeling like a mug, which I would if I spent $10,000 on a mass produced SS mechanical watch.
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Nicu
Traducerea va rog, suntem totusi pe un forum romanesc !!! Postam asa cu copy/paste doar sa umplem paginile forumului inutil...
Ultima oară modificat 13 Sep 2014, 09:56 de către ceasul, modificat 1 dată în total.
Dar nu eu am postat in engleza acele informatii pe care, de altfel le consider foarte interesante.
Iar acum, deoarece nu vreau sa va chinui prea mult si sa va las sa asteptati, iata traducerea mult dorita.
You are an old communist hag!=Esti o baba comunista!
Bun gasit! Inainte de ultimele doua pagini voiam sa intreb: pe acelasi palier de pret...sa spunem 500€ ce este de preferat? Avand in vedere ca putin educata mea logica ar spune ca un automatic este probabil unul slab iar un quartz este probabil, daca nu de top...aproape de el.
Dupa postul Domnului Nicu, tradus sau nu...desi raspunsul pare evident, este vorba de "vreau", nu de "imi trebuie" si cu siguranta, desi nu vom recunoaste niciodata, suntem atinsi de lucrarea departamentelor de marketing (nu vorbim de ceasuri vintage, doar de cele noi noute). Cu toate astea, daca vrei un ceas si bun si frumos si durabil (nu dai pe el o punga de pufuleti) si spun eu, tinand cont de calitatea de service din romania(no offence dar daca eu sunt in constanta si omul care poate servisa ceasul meu de 4499€ -pentru care am am economisit muuult sa il iau- este la zimnicea?
Bat campii...iertare si iertare daca jignesc, departe de mine aceste gand, toata stima pentru mebrii forumului!!
Intrebare simplificata: la aceasi bani, quartz sau mecanic(auto sau nu)
Chiar si ceasul d-vs de 4499€ poate fi trimis/dus o data la cativa ani la servisare, la nevoie chiar si la cateva sute de km distanta.
Restul e chestie de gusturi, pretentii si/sau mofturi.
Nu am vazut acest mesaj pina acum. Nu prea am timp pentru tradus ( me not inglish good ), si deci probabil ca veti avea nevoie de ajutorul unui prieten ( poate Google ? ) mester in engleza .
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Nicu scrie:Un punct de vedere :
I much prefer my current watches to be quartz.
With vintage watches bought for the history it is different.
I have quite a number of mechanical watches, that I got many years ago. They sit there unused and unworn in the main. Why? They don't keep very good time by today's best standards, they need constant adjustment, they are relatively fragile and if I wear them they will need very expensive servicing down the line, often putting me at the mercy of some mercenary watch company.
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No, the main reason why I don't buy Swiss mechanicals is that I like to go through life without feeling like a mug, which I would if I spent $10,000 on a mass produced SS mechanical watch.
Toate cele bune
Nicu
Traducerea va rog, suntem totusi pe un forum romanesc !!! Postam asa cu copy/paste doar sa umplem paginile forumului inutil...
[b]"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"- Mark Twain[/b]
We all are born ignorant, but one has to work hard to remain stupid. Benjamin Franklin
Today, we have plenty of examples of 20-25 year old quartz watches running still running without any maintenance other than replacement of batteries.
Some equate the lifespan of a quartz watch to be similar to a television set or personal computer. The lifespan of an electronic component depends on how hot the component runs when operating. The hotter they run, the shorter their expected lifespan. Quartz watches do not run particulalry hot so we can expect them to have a much longer lifespan than a TV set or computer. Others remember the relatively short lifespan of their digital watches or the early quartz watches.
Quartz watches are designed to last longer than anyone would want to keep them...
Thot scrie:Quartz watches are designed to last longer than anyone would want to keep them...
Corect. Valabil in special pt. quartz-urile analog moderne care au tehnologie avansata/de varf : PC, RC, GPS/SRT - sunt unse cu un ulei siliconic care nu se degradeaza si nici evapora. Chiar daca nu le faci revizie (teoretic nici nu au nevoie) uzura mecanismului in timp este infima plus ca nu afecteaza precizia.
Quartz watches are designed to last longer than anyone would want to keep them...
Acelasi lucru se poate spune si despre orice ceas mecanic facut cu simt de raspundere (in aceleasi conditii de revizie periodica vs schimbare de baterie)
Zar scrie:uzura mecanismului in timp este infima plus ca nu afecteaza precizia.
Ai vreo cercetare/studiu/date reale care sa sustina aceasta afirmatie?
